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2k6-2k7 REPORT CARD: Mike Dunleavy

I'll be perfectly honest. It brings me great pleasure to compile the very last GSoM report card ever for Mike Dunleavy. Let's just get this thing over with fast. Consequently, there will be no Funleavy Foto Fun or goofy video "highlights" in this final Dunleavy GSoM report card.*

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Hey! Remember this... guy?

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He's the last Warrior to appear on a Wheaties box!
(Courtesy of Sleepy Freud, ca, 2006)

Proof that miracles can happen even for an Unstoppable Baby! franchise like the Warriors:

Here's what Nellie said about Gary St. Jean's #3 overall bust and Chris Mullin's 44 million dollar disaster back in training camp this past September [Nelson ready to shake up the Warrior]:

"He'll have his best years for me. He's a natural four, not a three."

"He won't have to worry about guarding smaller guys," Nelson said. "I see him as a unique piece, a point power forward running my team."

Point- 3.0 assists to 1.8 turnovers? Nope.

Power- 4.8 rebounds? Nope.

Running a team- with that lack of mental focus and desire? Or with that propensity to point fingers at coaches and other teammates when things go wrong? Nope.

Looking back I swear Nellie was just pulling our leg. There's no way he could've actually believed what he was projecting Dunleavy to do on the hardwood this past season. I still can't get over how he named Dunleavy co-captain at the beginning of the season. Was he playing mind tricks with the Pacers' "braintrust" Donnie Walsh and Larry Bird from day one?

Make the jump to see the rest of Mike Dunleavy's final GSoM report card.

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You know I blame the parents.

I think my man Fantasy Junkie broke down Dunleavy's past season extremely well in the GSoM 2006-2007 midterm report card:

Disappointment is an understatement. Mike was finally playing for a coach that knew how to use him. He was going to play point and point forward. He was going to handle the ball more, distribute, set people up, and get more involved on offense. This was going to be his breakout year. So what happened? Nothing. Nothing happened. You know why? He's still Mike Dunleavy and no coach can change that.

Adam Lauridsen (Fast Break)  

Grade: D-
As a parting shot after the trade, Junior said Warriors fans were "pathetic" for booing him. Funny, that's the exact same word I'd use to sum up his years with the Warriors.

Fun Score: 1
Remember the game a few years ago when he got kicked out, ripped off his jersey, and tossed it into the stands? That was fun.

Atma Brother #1  

Grade: D
Soon after Mike Dunleavy's self-hype in training camp and bold proclamations that former Warrior head coaches Eric Musselman and Mike Montgomery didn't use him right, he proceeded to do what most of us expected- get benched and booed. Unlike Monty who never held Dunleavy accountable for all those 0 point, 0 rebound, 0 assist, 0 steal, 0 block nights where he wasn't prepared or mentally focused, Nellie wasted no time yanking Mr. Silver Spoon from the starting lineup and dissing him on his weekly radio show. I'm just happy we don't have to hear Dunleavy, the Warrior organization, the local media, his dad, or his two fans make up anymore excuses and blame his poor play on his teammates and coaches. What does it tell you when the best fans in the NBA booed this guy every night? Oh well, now he's the Pacers problem- and a big one at that.

Fun Score: -10
The Funleavy Foto Fun and noting his poor play and attitude in every game recap was getting so tiresome. Thank god #3 miraculously happened. GOOD RIDDANCE.

DJ Fuzzylogic  

Grade: C+
Even though he's gone, Yahoo images makes it easy to continue tracking Dun's anti-highlights (the Miami Jam-fest in Dun's grill at the end of the season are now staple highlights in NBA commercials). Many Warriors fans feared that Dun would blossom once-- like other Warriors we've managed to let go--we traded him. Surprisingly, Dun is probably the exception to that rule.

Fun Score: 10
10 for the Funleavy Fotos, but his game is -10. Ain't nothing funny about streaky shooting, poor decision making, and bad defense!

Fantasy Junkie  

Grade: F
Good riddance. Looks like he made Indiana a better team. Maybe it's time to stop blaming the coach (Muss, Monty, Nellie) and look inwards.

Fun Score: 5
Funleavy Foto Fun

Hash  

Grade: F
You ain't got to go home but you sure as hell can't stay here! PEACE!!! F.

Fun Score:
Don't ask me! Ask the Indiana Victims!- sorry, Pacers.

Overall Grade: D-

Also see Mike Dunleavy's 2005-2006 GSoM Report Card (D)

In remembrance of the good ol' times we bring you some more of that good ol' Funleavy Foto Fun for you and your family! (Actually, those times were terrible for Warriors Nation. If it weren't for the AP and Getty photographers I have no idea how we'd write those recaps during that painful 2005-2006 Golden State Warriors season.) Anyhow you know the saying...

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But wait... there's more! Check out this extremely rare footage of Dunleavy showcasing his high hoops IQ and great all around game in a Warriors jersey this past season:

RARE FOOTAGE: Dunstrongy taking it to the hole strong!

[dstown]

RARE FOOTAGE: Dunclutchy comes through in the clutch!

[dreamleague]

RARE FOOTAGE: Dunoopleavy throws down an alley oop!

[Meisterchr]

BONUS RARE FOOTAGE: Two Dunleavy fans do the "Mike Dunleeevay"!

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Well that's enough Funleavy Foto Fun and "highlights" to last a lifetime- well, at least till the Warriors put the smack down on the Indiana Posers next season in Indy and in Oakland.

In the tradition of Robert Parish, Antawn Jamison, Gilbert Arenas and many more, it was nice to see Dunleavy "blossom" when he went over to the Pacers. If you can believe it, his 3pt % actually dipped to a lower rate than his 2005-2006 season with the Warriors in which he was airballing wide open shots left and right. All across the board his numbers only improved marginally despite becoming a full time starter again and playing 8 and a half more minutes a game (more undeserved playing time!). New Pacers head coach Jim O'Brien doesn't have much of a problem with his players chucking up 3's without a conscious, but anyone want to bet that rule doesn't apply to this supposed "shooter" by January of next season?

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Two All-Time Warrior... well, somethings.


Where does Mike Dunleavy rank as far as all time Warrior draft pick busts? Where does he rank as far as most disliked Warrior players of all time?


Was this temper tantrum actually the highlight of Mike's career with the Warriors?
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2006-2007 GSoM Report Cards

 

* Okay, I lied, but the man should've been smarter than to try and diss the best fans in the NBA after he was shoveled off onto the Posers.

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OMG
What scale would allow us to grade Dumpleavy!  Just as you had to assume Nellie was pulling our collective legs, I have to assume you are doing the same by posting this question.  All I can say is may he rot in Indiana and raise the ire and scourge of Hosier fans the same way he inspired the despise and total increduily of Dub fans.  He was more than a disaster to our franchise, clearly the franchise's worst draft pick ever.  He is not "grade-worthy" and I wouldn't dignify his lack of talent, skills, heart, desire, or basketball IQ even with a big, friggen F-.
You call me ancient, I say "oldguysrule"

by commish on Jul 28, 2007 7:37 PM PDT   0 recs

C=average
OK, Dunleavy never really endeared himself to the Bay Area.  He's a spoiled rich kid who grew up with everything, went to high school in Lake Oswego, went to Dook (a spoiled rich kid's school, though one I'm begrudgingly admit has a pretty good academic reputation), never really should have been drafted where he was and certainly got overpaid for doing not a whole lot.   If you want to grade him on where he was drafted, the promise never fulfilled, the contract that someone else stupidly offered, or on personality traits and general less than warm fuzzies that come from a guy whose parents gave big to the current resident of 1600 Pennsyvania Ave, he's pretty lousy.  But on the court, he pretty much defined mediocre.

That's not terrible.  It's not good, it's not bad, it's just average.  In fact, he's the most average player in the whole damn NBA.  (see: http://hoopwize.com/content/?p=12#more-12).  For several seasons he's been pretty neutral in +/-, a little above, a little below, more or less what you'd expect from someone who is average.

Remarkably, he's not just average in one capacity, but he's versatile in how average he's been.  He produced better this year than he ever had before once he went to the bench and became an adequate sub (which is what you'd expect from an average player).  He rarely made mistakes (Nelson said that he made the fewest mistakes of anyone on the court) but he rarely made plays either.  That's freakin' ultra-boring average.

Unless we're grading on a whacky scale again, he's a C.  An average C.

by jae on Jul 28, 2007 8:04 PM PDT   0 recs

Nice look at the numbers JAE
Always good to have well reasoned analysis here. I would still contend that he was even worse than his numbers would indicate.

I actually thought Dunleavy made plenty of mistakes out there at some of the most costliest times- throwing a pass right to Rashard Lewis in the last minute of a game, turning the ball over on an inbounds play against the Pacers in Oakland, etc. Another reason why I don't think he's average or even mediocre was his pitiful defense. Admittedly he played some of his best defense of his Warrior career this year thanks to Nellie's zone gimmicks, but he still played atrocious man defense. His zone d was more of a product of the system than his ability too. After the trade when Nellie had Jax and Harrington to work with, they both did some amazing things in the zone D. Simply amazing.

In terms of raw talent or physical ability I really don't know if Dunleavy is that much worse than a guy like Stephen Jackson. Jax is 100x faster, but Dun is probably stronger (even though he's much softer). I think it comes down to mental resolve and heart which Jax has (when he wasn't losing his cool with the refs) and Dunleavy never had or will have.

by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 28, 2007 8:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i really doubt
dunleavy is stronger then jack.  but i agree with the fact that he is below average.  i think his skills are average, and he is terrible at defense and very soft and whatever team he plays for sucks.

by Proof on Jul 29, 2007 12:50 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Dun vs Jax
Dunleavy is Height: 6-9; Weight: 230

Jackson is Height: 6-8; Weight: 218

The difference is Jax has heart, hustle, desire, and hoops IQ (when he's not losing his cool). Athletically Dun is bigger and stronger (although he doesn't play or act like it), but Jackson is much more faster and agile. Stephen's footwork is superior as well.

by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 29, 2007 8:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah i know dunleavy is tiny bit taller
and weighs a little more but do you seriously think that dun dun could bench more then jack?

by Proof on Jul 30, 2007 3:22 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yes he likely can
but speed/quickness/reaction is as important to the equation of being a "strong" basketball player

Recall that Durant can't even bench 180.

by Zig on Jul 30, 2007 12:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

true

by Proof on Jul 30, 2007 12:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think he lived in Lake Oswego
but went to Jesuit High School in Beaverton. So, yeah, even worse.

by Jeremy Belvins on Jul 28, 2007 9:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

well to be fair
i'd give him an F+ because he was paid a lot to do nothing.  He never really got better, BUT he was consistent being inconsistent!  Now if he was a 2nd round pick then I wouldn't be complaining so much.

by djchuckdeez on Jul 28, 2007 9:30 PM PDT   0 recs

Is this for reals?
Wow....the offseason is so sLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOw

by JimBarnett2KevinGarnett on Jul 28, 2007 9:43 PM PDT   0 recs

how he gets anything besides a
D- or F just makes no sense to me.  dj fuzzy what are you thinking!?!?!?!  C+ lol  that is slightly above average.  man i love the funleavy and those videos were halarious but the dude is baaad.  okay i just scrolled up and read JAE say that mike defined average.  you forgot to factor in the fact that he was a bust, he is extremely soft, he makes his team worse, he makes excuses, he got booed by his home fans.  do the math.  mediocre skills/play + the above mentioned = F

by Proof on Jul 29, 2007 12:47 AM PDT   0 recs

those photos
alone are enough reason to give him an A+! F-game + A+-photos = C+ overall.  or something like that.  Did anyone else notice how his NBA.com Pacers player card features a player article link titled "poetry in motion." if so, that might be the worst poem ever written considering the "prose" includes getting dunked on, blowing alley-oops BADLY, and bricking game winning shots.

Atma-your crazy for this one!  killin' it as always with the photo narratives.

by dj fuzzylogic on Jul 29, 2007 7:42 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

alright lol
by that scale i have to give it to you cuz of the funleavy.

by Proof on Jul 30, 2007 3:33 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

subjective nonsense.
Did I forget that he was a 'bust.'  No.  It's irrelevant.  So is being booed by his fans.  So are his excuses.  "Bust" is a subjective term.  If you're giving him a low grade because he was a high pick, you're actually grading the franchise.  He wasn't responsible for this in any way.  Picking someone high in the draft doesn't make them into a different person.

The notion that Dunleavy makes his team worse is poorly supported.  He doesn't seem to make them better, but he doesn't make them worse either.  (Note: before mentioning that he made Indy worse, please note that if you use that argument, you forfeit any argument that the players we received in compensation were simply better players and Indy, without two players they traded to us who several here seem to think were better than average players and with a one-legged Jermaine O'neal, wasn't going to be as good when they replaced them with Joe-Average).

Dunleavy had a very neutral +/- for several years.  That doesn't support that he made his team worse.  It doesn't support that his defense was so terrible that he brought his team down either.  It supports that he's average, boringly, unspectacularly average, replaceable by about half the guys in the game (but better than about half as well).  

Point of fact: he was very, very, very average.  Don't confuse this with wanting him back, but these grades get whacky fast.  They're more like Jr. High popularity contests than any actual evaluation of the game and players.  Supporting his evaluation with boos and labels like bust actually sound much more like the popularity contest, not so much like basketball.

by jae on Jul 29, 2007 10:02 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Right
He was average on the court, but his financial cost was crippling.

I don't believe the grading scale accounts for economics, right?

Questions? Complaints?

(AIM: JetForze; email: Jon.d.ma@gmail.com)

by OptionZero on Jul 29, 2007 4:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

grading Dun or Mullin?
It appears to me that most people are grading on pure emotion and letting that cloud things.  If you factor economics into it, he's not averag, but then you're grading him for Mullin's mistakes.

by jae on Jul 29, 2007 9:02 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

dude
dunleavy and murphy were on a list of the most worthless players in the league or something that has to count towards something.

here is my scale

dunleavy

shooting - c
passing - c
dribbling - c
rebounding - f
defense - f
attitude - f
ability to be coached - f  ("no coach knows how to use me right)
hops - f
finishing ability - f
quickness- f
making team better - F
heart/ passion - F

overall grade: F!!!

the dude is pathetic i don't know how you can make a case for him.  

ill grade him how i want to grade him, you keep giving the most worthless peace of cry baby softy garbage in the NBA a C+

by Proof on Jul 30, 2007 3:30 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

C.
I don't know who puts together the 'list' of 'most worthless' players.  Sounds like something a sportswriter in need of a column put together and as such, carries as much weight as any other column.  It's a point of empirical fact that Dun scored at a rate, rebounded at a rate and dished assists at a rate that's essentially statistically indistinguishable from the average of all NBA players.  If you consider that rebounding to be an F, you're saying that the average NBA player gets an F in rebounding.

by jae on Jul 30, 2007 9:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Rebounding F?
what do you give Al Harrington and Steven Jackson?  F-

by Zig on Jul 30, 2007 12:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

rebounding grades.
Harrington is only marginally better rebounding than average, and since he played PF/C, that's not terribly good.  He's a C or worse.  Jax wasn't up to the standards of any position.  He's an F for rebounding.  I don't actually understand how a guy his height with his other skills can rebound so poorly.  Luckily, Jax did other things that seemed to help the team that compensated for this.

by jae on Jul 30, 2007 1:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yeh Harrington
is only a decent rebounder for a 3

by Zig on Jul 31, 2007 9:14 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

C
I think he was a decent player in the wrong system.  He was not an above average player.  I have read Indiana's boards since the trade and they basically like him but think he's soft and prone to streaks of poor shooting.

He's also shot them back into games.  As he did for us a few times.  You guys hate him so much you can't even remember the good stuff.

I give him a C and move on, like you said.  Overall, he's a, "Meh" kind of player.  A 6th or 7th guy.  Barnes is better.  That's a good comparison. Barnes is what Dunleavey was supposed to be.

by Gain on 10 on Jul 29, 2007 8:06 AM PDT   0 recs

About that Wheaties box
Courtesy of Sleepy Freud, ca, 2006...

by Sleepy Freud on Jul 29, 2007 9:09 AM PDT   0 recs

The word
"duh" comes to mind, Atma....
Tony aka Drawlz600 is AWESOME!!!!

by Zorgon on Jul 29, 2007 5:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

DUDE
i love the weaties box.  nice work.  it is genius

by Proof on Jul 30, 2007 3:32 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

OMG
I just went through all of those photos of Dun and I laughed sooooooo hard. Yeah, the guy deserves ann F- for being so embarrassingly hapless.

by Jeremy Belvins on Jul 29, 2007 4:50 PM PDT   0 recs

Everything to be said has been said, so
yeah. It's sad this guy never developed. I used to like him, but during halftime at a Hornets game, I saw a Pacers game (on one of those concouse TVs) and it was crucial for the Pacers getting into the playoffs.

And what happened? Patheticness. Missed shot after missed shot, laziness after laziness, no heart at all. It was on that day I decided to join the Mike Dunleavy haters club.

Tony aka Drawlz600 is AWESOME!!!!

by Zorgon on Jul 29, 2007 5:03 PM PDT   0 recs

Dunnothing is wack
He a F- for sucking . And A+ for all those Dun Foto pics. It was pretty when he got roundhouse kick.lol

by warriorfan4life on Jul 29, 2007 6:50 PM PDT   0 recs

No Passion / Hear t / Enthusiasm
I don't really like to grade anyone.  However the biggest problem with Dun is that he just didn't seem to have any "love for the game of basketball."

That seems surprising coming from a son of a former NBA player and current head coach.

Sjax has his off-court issues but his heart and emotion is what endears him to the fans.  You know Sjax cares.  

No one could say that about Dun.  

by coach41 on Jul 29, 2007 9:45 PM PDT   0 recs

As someone who grades
college students regularly, grading, in my humble opinion, is pretty arbitrary no matter how many standards you set.  really, how different is a B+ from a B or a B- from C+?  

grading dun doesnt' seem that difficult, but perhaps the assignment of grades creates the illusion that some of us like him.  Was he C- sucky? or D+ sucky or F sucky?  i think we can all conclude that he's sucky and don't want him on our team for his averageness.  I guess for all the hype and spoiled expectations he's created by himself, I would have to give him a D or worse.  To hype yourself each season as not being utilized correctly THEN basically putting out super below avg. stats -- just in my opinion of course -- makes him  THAT much un-avg as far as grades go.  If Nellie can't make this dude avg (statewise) or even above average as far as team-needs go (just hitting open shots and playing defensive), what good is he?  

But who knows, I'm only allowed to give a certain number of As out per semester....

by dj fuzzylogic on Jul 30, 2007 7:14 AM PDT   0 recs

Still average.
Agree totally that he never met expectations (though at some point long ago, it was time to realize that these expectations were unrealistic--he just wasn't that talented).  Agree that his personality didn't help, his notion that he was better than he performed and it was somehow more someone else's fault (though I think much was read into some vague comments here since people didn't like him already).

But, I'm trying to call attention to the fact that his actual performance was really, really average.  Not terrible, not great.  Average, and average by a real definition of average that's verifiable, empirical, supportable with something other than opinion.  

He didn't put up "super below average stats."  He put up remarkably average stats.  So average that I couldn't find a more average player, though I looked at every single guy to suit up in the league.

by jae on Jul 30, 2007 10:07 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

C though?
I don't think the numbers accurately reflect how poor his defense was and his critical mistakes, etc, but putting that aside-- would you seriously use the average numbers criteria for grading every player on the Warriors?

Let's say Baron Davis put up 10 points and 5 assists per game this past season (or whatever the averages are for PGs in the league)- would you honestly give him a C? I wouldn't, I'd give BD an F.

Likewise Dunleavy wasn't supposed to put up average numbers this year. He was supposed to have a break out year (although I NEVER bought the hype). He didn't. In my book he had a horrible season. This was his very last chance to break out in this league and he failed miserably.

by Atma Brother ONE on Jul 30, 2007 10:32 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

how is "average"
empirical? I guess it depends on what we are defining as "average." i'm guilty, too, of ambiguity by calling him "superbelow average" which could mean tons of things from bad to worst player in the league in some people's books.

by dj fuzzylogic on Jul 30, 2007 11:54 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

definition of average
I'm defining average as an arithmetic mean.  It's the common definition of average.

Average is empirical by taking the cumulative stats of all 457 players who suited up in the NBA last year, totaling every stat, figuring out what the per-minute rate for every stat was and then comparing this to what an individual player did.  It's empirical.  It's an analysis of data rather than a subjective opinion.

by jae on Jul 31, 2007 11:33 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Dunleavy
Dunleavy says no coach knows how to utilize him correctly. I'd like to see him in LA with his dad. If his dad can't utilize him correctly, he can't use it as an excuse anymore (but maybe he'll try, who knows).
Golden State of Mind- We iBelieve

by goGSW24 on Jul 30, 2007 4:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

nah..
you know if his dad doesn't properly utilize him, dun jr. will just use the excuse of bad parenting.

by dj fuzzylogic on Jul 30, 2007 6:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

averages/expectations
Well, in the interest of fairness, I wouldn't grade based on expectations (especially in Dun's case when it's clear that the expectations should have changed a long, long, long time ago).  Was he responsible for the hype that he was supposed to be better than average?  Perhaps some, but most of it was still people looking at a) his draft position and b) his contract.  Grading him based on that means you're grading him for what Saint and Mullin did, not what he did.

Per game numbers don't mean that much. You need much more context than 10 and 5 to evaluate a player.  What sort of playing time are we talking about? Assuming everything else is equal, if Baron put up 10 and 5 in 24 minutes, I'd give him the average grade because it's a pretty average contribution.  If he played 35 minutes and put up the same total numbers, he'd be worse than that.  

I don't think Dun's defense was really as poor as people make it out to be. He's certainly not a lock down man defender, but he rarely made glaring mistakes either.  I think that people hate him so much that on any easy to be subjective measure he's going to get penalized beyond what he was actually worth.  I don't know that he made more 'critical mistakes' than any other player either.  I really think that most people long, long, long ago lost any ability to be objective when it came to Dun.  

If his defense was really that bad since his offensive numbers were completely average, we'd expect his +- to be well in the negative because teams would be able to score more easily when he was in the game.  But we didn't see this.  What we saw for most of the last few years was that the team played about the same in terms of scoring differential with or without him.  This suggests to me that his defense wasn't that bad (or that good).  An average offensive player who was an extreme detriment to defense should have a negative +- since he's not improving the scoring but giving up tons less points.

(of course, this year's +- are messy since they're for the whole season, meaning that if the team played better when Baron and Richardson came back--and they did-- the 'off court' gets better without really reflecting what the traded player's contribution was.  Still, his +- in year's past was pretty neutral and it was pretty neutral when he was traded.)

by jae on Jul 30, 2007 11:55 AM PDT   0 recs

JAE
i agree with what your sayin' in some respects.  It def. wasn't Dun's fault he was hyped the way he was, but i guess he didn't necessarily help his cause telling folks he wasn't utilized "properly."  i think in a previous discussion with JOHNL from a ways back in which he considered it unfair to label Dun a bust because it wasn't his "fault," then does that mean no one could be called a bust? Does that mean all expectations are unfairly created?  should we not have expectations at all?  Is "bust" no longer a legitimate label?  just bad-avg-good-great? (these are hyperboles for effect)

I'm not to good with the stats, but maybe someone can fill me in on this, but I would consider someone like Bruce Bowen to be an above average player even though he seems to lack any offensive skills of his own creation or even if his stats don't say much considering the minutes played.  

by dj fuzzylogic on Jul 30, 2007 12:58 PM PDT   0 recs

dun's utilization.
I guess I have stricter standards for "bust" and someone who does so much at an average NBA level isn't a 'bust'.  

I'd reserve bust for a player who cannot really stay in the league, who struggles to get into games and does damn little when he's in games.  POB presently looks like a bust.  Dunleavy was much, much better than this.  Dunleavy was disappointing because he never lived up to the value people thought he had, and perhaps the pick was wasted since it's clear that some second round/non-roster guys can play as well or marginally better, but as a player, he was better than the host of guys who can't last in the league.   To call him a bust means that there's got to be something 10 levels below bust for guys like POB.

Dun was right.  He wasn't properly utilized, but I suspect that how he should have been utilized and how he thought he should be utilized were different things.  He never should have been a starter. Proper utilization would have been to used him on average about 24 minutes a game coming off the bench.  He was adequate in this capacity.  But people, including coaches and management, got blinded by the draft position and used him more than this though he wasn't good enough to handle it.  Then they doubled down on the mistake by paying him as if he was still a promising player worthy of a high pick and, blinded by that kept using him more than they should have.

Dun never helped his cause by his comments though again, I think that more was read into them than should have been.  Once people started hating him, there was more or less nothing he was going to be able to do right unless he averaged quintuple doubles nightly.  (OK, hyperbole--being an above average starter might have been enough, but hopefully you catch my drift.)  Since he had high expectations -and- he wasn't a particularly likable guy, he was doubly doomed.  Average wasn't going to cut it.  

I don't miss him at all.  He became a distraction, probably more so to fans than to the team, but a distraction nonetheless and his salary was soon to cripple the team.  So trading him was the right move.  But to give him an F?  I still think that the F should be for guys who, when they're on the court, hurt the team (like POB, who did nothing right).  He didn't hurt. He just didn't help. Or if he did either, it was pretty muted.  Incredibly average.

Tough to say about Bowen.  His team seems to do much better when he plays, but he's always playing with Duncan. It's rare that Bowen is in the game without Duncan or Duncan is in the game without Bowen. The big result with Bowen is that he's used heavily on a team that wins championships, suggesting that he's got to be at least an average player.  But some may be context.  It's tough to imagine a perimeter defender like him really helping the Warriors as much because someone needs to grab the rebounds after he causes a missed shot.  SanAnt has those players.  We don't.  

by jae on Jul 30, 2007 1:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

you mean Biedrins
is not comparable to Duncan and can't have a Duncan-like effect of making other placers great? jk! good pt. on contextualizing Bowen within San Antonio's scheme of things.

by dj fuzzylogic on Jul 30, 2007 3:18 PM PDT   0 recs

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